Posts by Jules Saturn

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Are you better off as a worldly person or a JW?

by Jules Saturn in

i was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a witness later in life.

he argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back.

i agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of witnesses but i do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in.

Jules Saturn

I was having a conversation with a relative who has been inactive for several decades (part of the ‘75 generation) and he argued that a person that is a born in is better off staying in the organization rather than someone like him who lived as a “worldly” person but then became a Witness later in life. He argues that when you’re born in, all you know nothing outside of the organization, so you’re better off in than out, that’s why when born ins leave the org, they always come back. I agree that as a born in, your social circle is composed of Witnesses but I do feel that even born ins would be happier outside of the org than being in. Again my inactive relative argues that they are genuinely “happy” but they are conditioned to believe that they are happy. Thoughts?

-J.S

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What is attractive?

by Freedom rocks in

has anyone found that since leaving the borg that their tastes have changed in what they find attractive in the opposite sex?

beards, long hair, tattoo's, etc).

i don't now if it's just my taste changing as i get older or if it's coz beards were frowned upon by the society that i find them attractive now and didn't when i was younger 😊.

Jules Saturn

Interesting you say this, I think honestly my perception of people has changed to what atttacts me physically and mentally to a person whether they’re in the org or not. I find myself more inclined to engage to people who think freely and critically on certain viewpoints instead of following something just because it makes you feel good. In regards to physical appearance, in my case I used to frown upon girls that had belly piercings. Tbh I still frown upon certain tattoos, especially if the person has their entire body covered with them but that’s just my opinion. If they have a small one that’s in a decent spot then I don’t really care but if it’s on your arm and it’s a character from your favorite tv show then I’m just gonna look the other way. Just my opinion.

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Crisis of Conscience where to find?

by Jules Saturn in

does anyone know where i can get a pdf version of this book?

i’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive.

thank you.. -jules.

Jules Saturn

Does anyone know where I can get a pdf version of this book? I’ve always wanted a physical copy but those seem really hard to come by, and if you look online they’re super expensive. Thank you.

-Jules

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Cult Leader Thinks He’s Jesus

by Jules Saturn in

i was sent this video and don’t know if anyone was aware of it or if this has been posted before but in russia there is a religion known as vissarion’s church of the last testament where their leader who was formerly known as sergey anatolyevitch torop who goes by vissarion believes he is the messiah.

according to the video, there are 5,000 followers worldwide with 2,000 followers actually living on site with vissarion.

i found it pretty odd but very interesting and wanted to share it on here.

Jules Saturn

@Wasanelder Once

I think one of the things that intrigued me of the video was honestly how tranquil the location looked. Of course they wouldn’t want to leave it, it looked so peaceful and quiet, exactly like the Paradise Watchtower describes.

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Cult Leader Thinks He’s Jesus

by Jules Saturn in

i was sent this video and don’t know if anyone was aware of it or if this has been posted before but in russia there is a religion known as vissarion’s church of the last testament where their leader who was formerly known as sergey anatolyevitch torop who goes by vissarion believes he is the messiah.

according to the video, there are 5,000 followers worldwide with 2,000 followers actually living on site with vissarion.

i found it pretty odd but very interesting and wanted to share it on here.

Jules Saturn

I was sent this video and don’t know if anyone was aware of it or if this has been posted before but in Russia there is a religion known as Vissarion’s Church of the Last Testament where their leader who was formerly known as Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop who goes by Vissarion believes he is the Messiah. According to the video, there are 5,000 followers worldwide with 2,000 followers actually living on site with Vissarion. I found it pretty odd but very interesting and wanted to share it on here. https://youtu.be/W2Cv5hZfOmk

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Avoiding Service Tips?

by Kohanic in

back again!.

so as i'm still pimo and living under my parent's roof, how can i get out of service?

cause i really don't want to go and i feel dirty just knowing i could be influencing someone into this garbage..

Jules Saturn

If you’re a college student I would honestly schedule a class on Saturday morning

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Don't you think that some people are just better off within the org?

by paradiseseeker in

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this is my first post, i will introduce myself later.

first of all, i must say that english is not my mother tongue (i'm spanish), so excuse me if i make any mistake.. do you think that some people simply can't cope with being outside the jws?

some of them are too worldlyphobic to be around non-jws, too dependent on a fixed set of rules in order to carry on with their lives, too dependent on the hope of paradise and resurrection, too unable to leave their personal comfort zone within the organization.

Jules Saturn

I’m very unsure about the answer to this question. I had a relative tell me that without the Org, she would be lost in life. To me that’s very telling about how much control the org plays in their life. I feel like in that case yes, they would be better off in the organization because outside of it they couldn’t last.

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One of the things I disliked about moving to a new congregation

by Jules Saturn in

i hope i’m not the only one who experienced this but i hated it when we moved to a new congregation and another family from the congregation we were in would move to the same congregation basically following us.

and it was annoying because i always felt like there was this competition over privileges and participation during the meetings with this particular family.

it was so annoying.

Jules Saturn

I hope I’m not the only one who experienced this but I hated it when we moved to a new congregation and another family from the congregation we were in would move to the same congregation basically following us. And it was annoying because I always felt like there was this competition over privileges and participation during the meetings with this particular family. It was so annoying. Has anyone else experienced something similar?

-Jules

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Matthew 24:34 not fulfilled in the first century

by Jules Saturn in

i was discussing with an elder the generation teaching and telling him when jesus christ says in matthew 24:34 “truly i say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” he was referring to the generation from the first century in 33 ad and these events that were to take place took place with the destruction of jerusalem in 70 ad.

now the elder tells me to go back to a few verses to from verses 29-33 which read: .

“immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,+ and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.+ 30 then the sign of the son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Jules Saturn

I was discussing with an elder the generation teaching and telling him when Jesus Christ says in Matthew 24:34 “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen.” he was referring to the generation from the first century in 33 AD and these events that were to take place took place with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Now the elder tells me to go back to a few verses to from verses 29-33 which read:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened,+ and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.+ 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief,+ and they will see the Son of man+ coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.*+31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.+

32 “Now learn this illustration from the fig tree: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near.+33 Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors.+

He then explains to me that this did not take place in the first century because yes, while Jerusalem was destroyed and earthquakes and all the things Jesus spoke of did occur, they did not witness the sign of the Son of man. He also explained that in verse 31 which refers to the angel and his great trumpet sound, that sounds directly from the book of Revelation, so the connection is being made there with the context of what we see today in our world.

What do you think?

-Jules

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Unprivileged

by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

something just dawned on me today as i processed my assimilation into the real world (thanks to our new poster, @jester, giving me a major throwback to my first post).. when you're a jehovah's witness, you really are in some sort of la la land.

things which are perfectly normal are acts of eating from the table of the demons.

things which are horribly grotesque and extremely unjust are branded as "righteousness".

Jules Saturn

Love this post and I definitely agree. To me what’s crazy is the whole culture of the Witnesses. For an example how here in the States if you were to see a gentleman with a beard you’d jump to the conclusion that he isn’t a brother with privileges, let alone a brother.